Zen Mind, Beginner's Mind: Informal Talks on Zen Meditation and Practice
It explains. Hardcover files this book as non-fiction. A fact, not a factor: it plays no part in our call.
Read it
Both halves point at the page: 16% of the reviews we read called it demanding, and Peter Coyote’s reading lands in the bottom 12% of our shelf of books, on 2,421 ratings of the narration.
Length does not decide this
2h 58m to listen, at 1×2h 22m to listen, at 1.25×1h 59m to listen, at 1.5×1h 42m to listen, at 1.75×1h 29m to listen, at 2×about 4½ hours to readabout 3½ hours to readabout 3 hours to readabout 2 hours to readabout 1½ hours to read
The runtime is Audible’s own, shown at the speed beside it. The reading time is our estimate: 138 pages at 30 pages an hour, the pace you told us. Ours is 50, about 300 words a page, read at 250 a minute. Treat the reading estimate as a ceiling on this one: this one runs 1.3 minutes of narration a page against a shelf median of 1.9, so its pages are lighter than the average we divide by (verse, dialogue, wide margins), and it will go quicker than we say.The runtime is Audible’s own, shown at the speed beside it. The reading time is our estimate: 138 pages at 40 pages an hour, the pace you told us. Ours is 50, about 300 words a page, read at 250 a minute. Treat the reading estimate as a ceiling on this one: this one runs 1.3 minutes of narration a page against a shelf median of 1.9, so its pages are lighter than the average we divide by (verse, dialogue, wide margins), and it will go quicker than we say.The runtime is Audible’s own, shown at the speed beside it. The reading time is our estimate: 138 pages at 50 pages an hour, which is about 300 words a page, read at 250 a minute. Treat the reading estimate as a ceiling on this one: this one runs 1.3 minutes of narration a page against a shelf median of 1.9, so its pages are lighter than the average we divide by (verse, dialogue, wide margins), and it will go quicker than we say.The runtime is Audible’s own, shown at the speed beside it. The reading time is our estimate: 138 pages at 65 pages an hour, the pace you told us. Ours is 50, about 300 words a page, read at 250 a minute. Treat the reading estimate as a ceiling on this one: this one runs 1.3 minutes of narration a page against a shelf median of 1.9, so its pages are lighter than the average we divide by (verse, dialogue, wide margins), and it will go quicker than we say.The runtime is Audible’s own, shown at the speed beside it. The reading time is our estimate: 138 pages at 80 pages an hour, the pace you told us. Ours is 50, about 300 words a page, read at 250 a minute. Treat the reading estimate as a ceiling on this one: this one runs 1.3 minutes of narration a page against a shelf median of 1.9, so its pages are lighter than the average we divide by (verse, dialogue, wide margins), and it will go quicker than we say.
If you must listen → dedicated listening only
About as demanding in audio as The Handmaid's Tale.
Harder work in audio than 82% of the books we hold.
Harder work in audio than 74% of the non-fiction we hold.
Harder work in audio than 91% of the short books we hold.
Reading load against listening load
Where that puts this one among the books we hold: in the top 10% of our shelf of books for effort on the page and in the top 12% of our shelf of books for effort in your ears. The middle of the scale is not the middle of the shelf (most books sit below the average on both), so a book at 0.00 is already in the top 43% for effort on the page. Each of the three is measured against the whole shelf separately, so the bottom figure is not the top two subtracted. It is this book’s own distance from the middle.
What the audio disadvantage is made of. Two things and no others: how fast readers say this one moves, and how demanding the reviews we read found it. There is no third: the structural one has no data source, so it contributes nothing rather than being guessed at. Both directions are declared priors we have never fitted against a real verdict, which is the weakest-evidenced part of the whole model.
How the call was made
Where a bar carries ticks, the grey one is the middle of our shelf and a coloured one is a line we publish, cool where we start backing the page, warm where we start backing the recording. The evidence squares at the foot are a different thing: how far each of our four sources went, hatched where there was nothing to measure at all.
- The audio case
- −1.41It sits in the bottom 10% of our shelf of books for how far the recording outruns the page. Past the line where we start backing the page.
- Narration payoff
- −0.62Peter Coyote’s reading is less well received than the book it came from: in the bottom 12% of our shelf of books, on 2,421 ratings of the narration. This is a difference, not a score: it sets the reading against its own book, so a much-loved book with a merely good reading sits low on this shelf even where nobody disliked either. Asked the other way (how the reading stands against what the book’s own readers made of it, which is a different crowd rating a different thing), it comes out −0.15. We report that one and never score it: two crowds that do not overlap are held together by nothing but the standardising, which is a cost the figure above does not pay.
- What is at stake
- 0.13It sits between the bottom 27% and the top 33% of our shelf of books for how well the print crowds think of a book: middling regard, so this barely moves the call either way. Blended across 51,313 Goodreads ratings and 121 on Hardcover, each scored inside its own population first, and never added together.
For the page
- The voice lets the book down
- A hard text to follow by ear
- The crowds’ regard did not reach the line where we protect a first read, this reason did not apply
For the recording
- 2,421 listeners behind it
So the case for the page won it.
A bigger dot counted for more: the voice and the ear are sized by their share of the sum above, the other two by how much stands behind them. A hatched square is a reason that did not apply here, which is not the same as one that counted for little.
- Evidence
- 0.95How much of the picture we actually have, out of 1.00: four questions, each answered as far as the source could answer it, less anything taken off for reading fewer reviews than we aim to.The reading2,421 people have rated this reading: as good as it getsThe second sourceHardcover knows this book, with 121 readers there: enough to lean onThe matchHow sure we are that the recording we scored is this book: as good as it getsThe reviewsWe read 300 reviews to judge how demanding it is: as good as it gets
What each crowd complains about
We would need 40 reviews from each crowd before setting the two side by side, and only 26 of the reviews we read said they listened to it. So we are not drawing this one.
What the two crowds said
Showing the stars as each shop prints them. The two crowds are not measured from the same place: on our shelf Audible’s listeners average 0.35 of a star above Goodreads’ readers, so a recording that is ordinary for Audible can still out-star a book that is genuinely well liked for Goodreads. Switch the toggle to take that difference off.Showing each figure as its distance from its own crowd’s middle on our shelf, in standard deviations, so 0 is a typical book for that crowd. Listeners start 0.35 of a star up, partly because anyone who finishes a twenty-five-hour recording chose it deliberately, and this takes that off. It is not a claim that audio is better, the story figure is still Audible’s own (people rating a story they heard), and none of it moves the verdict above.
overallAudible
overall, pooled by the shop, so we hold no ruler for it
2,930 ratings · performance and story, as the shop pools them
the performanceAudible
the performance, against Audible’s own crowd
How often this goes badly3.3% of the people who rated the performance gave it one or two stars. More than most recordings here. The middle of our shelf is 2.0%, and half of it falls between 1.0% and 3.1%.
81 of 2,455 listeners gave the performance one or two stars
The shape of the room
- United, this one
- Warm
- Split
- Lukewarm
A united room: 76% of the listeners gave the performance five stars. A room that agrees this far leaves little to gamble on.
2,455 ratings
the story, as heardAudible
the story, as heard, against Audible’s own crowd
2,421 ratings
the book itselfGoodreads
the book itself, against Goodreads’ own crowd
51,313 ratings
Every reading we hold
One complete reading of this book, and it is the reading every audio figure above is measured on. If there is another, we have not found it. The shelf grows in reviewed batches, never because somebody searched for a book.
- Peter Coyoteour pick2h 58m2h 22m1h 59m1h 42m1h 29m · One voice · Audible UK and US
Performance 4.62 · Story 4.69 · 2,421 rated the reading · 3.3% of the people who rated the performance gave it one or two stars
Hear it · Audible’s clip, its length read from them on load
The recording we mean
- Runtime
- 2h 58m at 1×
- Read by
- Peter Coyote
- Kind
- One voice
- ASIN
- B09NLDJL1G · Audible UK
- Rated in
- Audible UK and US · 348 + 2,107 ratings of the performance
- Judged on
- 2,421 ratings of the narration
- Published
- Phoenix Books, Inc. · 2021
Audible sorts a search by newest, so ours may not be the first one you are offered. The runtime is the check: if the one in front of you says 2h 58m, that is the reading these numbers describe. “Judged on” is the crowd behind every judgement we make about this reading: the smaller of the performance and story counts, which is why it is a little under the two shop counts added. We do not link out to a shop, and we take nothing if you buy there.